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A Pagan Speaks for Free Enterprise
By K.C. McGuire

"When Communism invades a community, it destroys free enterprise by monopolizing goods, services, and employment.

It destroys free enterprise by creating a monopoly which provides food, clothing and other goods once supplied by privately owned small businesses. The people in turn are forced to work for that monopoly at a wage at or near poverty.  Their choices are limited to the cheaply made goods provided by other communist manufacturers through their employer.  These products are purchased by their low wage earnings thereby giving the people no chance to succeed.  The only ones who profit are the few lucky leaders who apply a miniscule fraction of their earnings to their propaganda machine which encourages people that submitting to their system is the Patriotic thing to do. 

Wait, did I say Communism?  I meant WalMart."


WalMart - Always low wages. Always.
Don't let our Troops die for WalMart. 
Free Enterprise depends on you Boycotting WalMart.

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On Complacency: News & Editorial
WASHINGTON

- After a generation of involvement on the political scene, religious conservatives say they may finally have come into their own.

With the re-election of President Bush and a galvanized grass-roots movement, evangelical Christian leaders are confidently predicting the advance of their social agenda."

"But Bush was returned to office Tuesday on the wings of evangelicals. Three out of four white voters who described themselves as evangelicals or born-again Christians voted for Bush, according to an exit poll of more than 13,000 voters conducted for the Associated Press and the television networks. That represented about one-fifth of all voters.

"Before our strength was a question mark," said Weyrich. "Now it's an exclamation point."

Religious conservatives have a wish list of items they hope Bush and a Republican-dominated Congress will address, including legislative bans on same-sex marriage, continuing efforts to limit abortion and appointment of judges who do not meet their definition of "activist."

Overcoming past stages of political apathy, evangelicals are now energized, their leaders say - not just at the voting booth, but for future action to let the political powers know they have certain expectations."

"Corwin Smidt, director of the Henry Institute for the Study of Christianity and Politics at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, MI, said evangelicals already have the ear of Republicans but now Democrats may begin to pay more attention to them."

"The Rev. Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, VA, and co-founder of the Moral Majority, wouldn't predict demands for political payback from the Bush administration. He did say [evangelical Christian] complacency is not an option."
Greenviews:   On Complacency

by Lowell McFarland
Complacency may not be an option with evangelical Christians but it appears to be the option of choice for Pagans. As a religion, Pagans seem to be alone in this disunited complacency among all other religions in America. Most all other moderate religious leaders and religions are now congressing to assess this stunning extremist religious takeover.

While the majority of evangelical Christian ministers were subtly, or not so subtly, preaching that "...God has finally sent America a president..." and distributing millions of pamphlets boasting of Bush's evangelical religiosity, Pagans were preaching that we should not get political. Even now, as evangelical Christian leaders are engraving their wish lists to get all the political paybacks they worked for, Pagans are asking that their members be nice and don't argue or to take their political comments off-list.

Evangelical Christians, once a small, disorganized and powerless group, publicly announced their grandiose takeover intentions, organized, ORGANIZED, ORGANIZED, and then organized more, and FINALLY SUCCEEDED grandly. In a classic case of extremists allying themselves against complacent (wishy-washy?) disunited, tolerant and enlightened groups, religious extremists allied themselves with economic extremists (very rich people and corporations who were war, health and energy profiteering) and a variety of racists, misogynists, and jingoists, to take control of America. In the same time, Pagans seemed to find every excuse NOT to organize, NOT to congress, NOT to enlist national Pagan spokespeople, NOT to become politically active, NOT to alert their members to the obvious activities of evangelical Christians and their religious/political agenda and NOT to fundraise to pay for standard and growing needs of the Pagan community.

While religious leaders from most all of America's religions have regularly visited the White House, and achieved results as well as their photographs with the Presidents, we do not know of any Pagan leaders who have visited the White House in the last 100 years!

Back then environmentalists John Muir and J. Horace McFarland visited Presidents Taft, Roosevelt and Wilson in the first 1900's. Muir and McFarland's interaction with the American presidents brought America our National Park Service and many other environmental firsts--which are now lauded worldwide.

As Pagans, our history shows that we fared badly under various forms of enforced, virulent state-monotheism, especially when we stayed complacent or tribally disunited in the face of looming control-freak behavior by religious extremists who took control of the government.

We are proud of the many, many Pagans who fought and voted for tolerance and better lives for all.

In contrast to apolitical American Pagans, European Pagans have organized and become very political when needed: British Pagans fought the government, got Stonehenge opened again and can now conduct sacred rites at Stonehenge and several other ancient Pagan megaliths; European Pagans joined with others to defeat Christian efforts to include a statement declaring "Christian roots" to Europe in the new European Union Constitution; European Pagans spearheaded successful efforts to make the 2004 Olympics as Pagan as possible in their ancient Pagan home in Greece; Brittany/Bretagne French Pagans joined others to defeat French laws that made French parents name all children with French Christian names; Irish Pagans are fighting their government to better preserve the ancient Pagan sites and megaliths; Hellenic Greek Pagans are fighting their government (and the Orthodox Christian Church) to allow them to conduct Pagan rites at ancient Greek Pagan sites; Pagans in other European countries are fighting their governments for official recognition and religious aboriginal acknowledgement.

Obviously, because we American Pagans did not even try to effect the agenda, the agenda of America, and perhaps the agenda for many American Pagans, will be set by others, probably by organized and gloating evangelical Christians.

Obviously still, the lessons learned from these last two presidential elections are that being complacent or wishy-washy is not beneficial to either presidential candidates nor Pagans.

We now need to form overdue Pagan national organizations and join our tribes when necessary, so that we can continue the good fight.


NOTE: Moderate Christians as well as other religions, including Atheists and secularists, are very concerned about the apparent intrusive action of fundamentalists in this election and are convening their national leaders to discuss all of the ramifications. The following article was sent by Presbyterian News from the Religious News Service.

This article is reposted relative to 17 USC Section 107.

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Dear friends of freedom, life, and peace,

O.k. So Now What?
Donna Henes

We are baffled. We are frustrated. We are disgusted. We are angry. And, yes, we are scared. But I can't see that any of these attitudes can help us much, either in our personal spiritual growth or in our attempts to change the political climate of our country.

Our job today is exactly what it has been all along. We need to steady and center ourselves in our own beliefs and values. We need to reach out in friendship and compassion to those folks around us who may or may not agree with us. We need to walk our talk and lead exemplary lives. And most important, we need keep hope and faith and trust alive in our hearts.

Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and prepare for the long haul. So many of us became politicized and active in these past few pre-election months. This earnest passion for positive change is precisely where we must begin. We cannot allow ourselves to go back to sleep, apathetic and dormant until six months before the next election.
We have to realize that we are now engaged in training for a huge marathon. Sprinters need not apply.

From now on we must be ever vigilant and allow no injustice, no aggression, no display of disrespect to pass without a loud protest. We must pay attention and ethically respond to the feelings, needs, fears, and desires of others as well as the planet that supports us all. We must be the early responders.

So let's spend this evening bemoaning our fate by crying in our beer, eating too much ice cream, doing yoga, having sex, doing whatever it is that will make us feel better for the moment. And then in the morning, let us awaken to the dawn of a new day, a new era, a new way of being in the world. This is just the beginning.

With ultimate blessings of peace,

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THE REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLICAN & DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES
AS SACRED POLARITIES


By: Rosemarie Taylor-Perry, 
Author: "The God Who Comes; Dionysian Mysteries Revisited."

The universe runs on polarity: Good times and bad times weave together into the tale of a life; day follows night without pause; male and female come together and new life and growth occur; and, as Pagans, we recognize that life and death are merely alternating loops in a single never ending spiral.  This is how the Lords and Ladies we call gods -- also known in the Hellene tradition as "The Shining Ones" -- have arranged the cosmos in which we live.

Which is why, as a conservative Pagan, I become frustrated -- okay, let's be honest; I'm human, and I become both hurt and angry -- when, upon occasion, those liberal Pagans I'd like to consider real friends absolutely erase me, my husband, and my wonderful stepdaughter from their lives, when they learn my political party.  Not even my beliefs, just the letter on my voter's registration card.  The latest case of this is a lady and her companion whom we'd known, and dearly loved, for
five years.  No sort of rapproachment, inquiry, gift, or show of concern by any of us now elicits any response from these folks -- we've simply ceased to exist.

Okay, so this is some sort of psychological issue within the personalities of these two women.  But, we still love(d?!) them.

And, it still hurts.

I'd like to call some sort of truce within the Pagan population regarding this issue.  Anything else is inane.  Have we, as a society, forgotten how to "agree to disagree", and still remain civil?  Have we, as Pagans, forgotten that a vibrant universe runs on polarity, not similitude?

As Americans, we've obviously forgotten that, without both Democratic and Republican processes within our government, America as we know it would not -- and could not! -- exist, punditry and unstatesmanlike political behavior notwithstanding.

The Democratic process comes to us from Periclean Athens (roughly 600-400BCE).  In this system, citizens -- which Athens determined by matrilineal derivation (only the sons of Athenian women were considered Athenians), enrollment and service in the army, and ownership of land via marriage to a woman of Athenian descent
1 -- voted on all issues of import to the city.  Majority rule is the hallmark of a Democracy.  The downside of this system is that minority viewpoint is of no consequence in the crafting of any law, and majority view is considered law even if that view imposes tyranny. 2

The representative Republican process was invented in Rome (roughly 600BCE to 50CE).  In this system, citizens -- any male landowner over a certain age, who had served in the military
3 -- elected men of the Equestrian or high class (as determined both by elite birth and high fiscal solvency) who would present a spectrum of both majority and minority concerns to one another, and thereby rule by reaching consensus between considered viewpoints.  This method decays when the elite run out of money, and any given group of citizens realize that they can "buy" themselves a Senator.  The Roman Republic fell, furthermore, because it was the Equestrian Senatorial class that commanded the Roman army: Certain Senators, in the pay of certain citizens, gained generalship of large portions of the army, plunging first Rome then the whole of the Italian peninsula into nearly a century of civil war, begun by the Gracchi and ended only by the rule of the Caesars. 4

America's Founders were privileged children of the final, Romantic era of the Renaissance, that era which brushed over a millennia of dust and rubble off of Pagan art, literature, law, mathematics, science, history, and medicine, and gazed upon it in awe.  It is the works of our Pagan, Greco-Roman ancestors that inspired giants such as Galileo, Van Liewenhoek, Lister, Pasteur, Titian, Hamilton, Jefferson, and many others; all the great buildings of Washington, D.C., are built on ancient Greco-Roman lines -- save for the Washington monument, which is a modern rendition of the obelisk style of monument favored by the ancient Egyptians. 

The Founders read and understood the works of ancient Pagan politicians, historians,and philosophers, and those works resonated in their minds. Conservative Christians like to say that America is a Christian country, and though it is true that many modern Amercans and most Founders are and were Christian, American government as we know it is founded upon a wholly Pagan system, which is reflected in everyday American life -- from Pagan art and architecture, to the symbols chosen to represent our country (as may be noted on our currency), to the process of vote, veto, and judgement by jury. 5

However, the Founders also saw the flaws in the Democratic and representative Republican systems as practiced by the Greeks and Romans. It took many years and numerous revisions in plan, but it was decided that the most stable -- yet the most dynamic -- system could be created by combining both systems, as well as creating not just a voting public and a Senate, but further branches of government into which the running of the country could be split in such a way that no one part of the whole could amass too much power (this, by the way, is why conservatives tend to look askance at the creation of laws and bureaucracies that extend the reach of any branch of government!)

Along the same lines, I feel that it is important to the health of our country to have political parties in polarity.  This being said, I'm stymied at the attitude taken by some individuals, which seems to
proclaim that only one particular political ideology -- be it part of liberalism, or part of conservatism, or something else entirely -- is the only "correct" way, and that any other set of beliefs acts to turn one's would-be friends into social untouchables.  I'm afraid I have to respond to that sort of thinking the way the American general in the Battle of the Bulge responded to the German general who demanded his surrender:

NUTS!!!

We are not gods; we cannot see the beginning, end, or meaning of all things.  But the gods have given us a place where our views and beliefs can be spoken and heard without fear of death (something that was a very real possibility pretty much everywhere for most of recorded history, and which still is in certain parts of the world); where we can begin to reclaim the spiritual traditions of our ancestors, if that is what we desire.  As a conservative Pagan (specifically, an Hellenic Reconstructionist), I am thankful for this opportunity, and for this country.  I'm sad that some might choose to avoid me because of my political (or religious) beliefs.  Nevertheless, if that is their choice, then that is their right, and I would not have it taken from them for any reason, regardless of how sad, hurt, frustrated, or offended I might be.


FOOTNOTES:


1.  Hignett, "A History of the Athenian Constitution to the End of the Fifth Century BC" pages 343-347 / Loraux, "The Invention of Athens" pages 31-39/ Taylor-Perry, "The God Who Comes..." pages 40-44 / Winkler and  Zeitlin, "Nothing to do with Dionysos: Athenian Drama in its Social Context" pages 195-196.

2.  Hignett, "A History of the Athenian Constitution..." passim.

3.  Goldsworthy, "The Complete Roman Army" pages 102-103, 114.

4.  Hildinger, "Swords Against the Senate:  The Rise of the Roman Army and the Fall of the Republic" passim.

5.  Jones and Pennick, "Pagan Europe" pages 189-204.

Special Feature on Polyamory:  

The practice, state or ability of having more than one sexual loving relationship 
at the same time, with the full knowledge and consent of all partners involved."
  

Faithful Polyamory (a Unitarian Universalist sermon)

Hello, I'm Elise Matthesen; I'm bisexual, polyamorous, and a member of this congregation.

I hope you'll forgive me if I'm a little worn-out and grumpy -- and maybe tearful -- today, but it's been a big week. I got home on Monday night from a visit with the chosen family of one of my partners, and when my other partner picked us up at the airport, he said, "Your sister says to call her as soon as you can. It's urgent."

It was. The mother of my closest high school friend had died unexpectedly, and my sister wanted to tell me, and to make arrangements with me for getting to the funeral, which was back home in southeastern Wisconsin. I got back last night at Midnight.

I felt it was especially important to be with my friend for this funeral because her father died just a few months ago, after a long, difficult illness. Her mom, as my sister pointed out, was one of the best mothers we knew; she had lots of love for her kids, and enough to share with the numerous friends of her offspring who came through the house. My friend and her husband were in the process of leaving their home and jobs in order to move in with my friend's mother and take care of her and be with her, but it wasn't to be.

One of the other reasons I really wanted to be there was that my friend is a very wonderful, gentle, and loving person. She was one of the people who supported me when I came out as bisexual a quarter-century ago. And when, years afterwards, I went back to tell her, "You know all those years ago in high school? I, um, I think I was in love with you," her response was one of the most thoughtful I've ever heard of. She sat there for a minute, considering, and then she looked me square in the eye and said, "Thank you." Which was perfect -- I wasn't asking her to do anything about it, other than to know how much I cared about her. I didn't tell her way back in high school, because I wasn't ripe to say it yet, although I was able to say that I was bisexual, once I found out there was a word for it.

When I worked the night shift at the canning factory, one of my co-workers was a strong, graceful, young Spanish-speaking migrant worker. One night on break, as we watched the mist rise off the river behind the factory, he asked me, "Do you think it's wrong for a man to.... you know, to go with another man?"

This wasn't small talk. What could I say? The church I was raised in called homosexuality an abomination. I knew they meant me, too -- and I didn't think they'd give me a discount on eternal damnation for being bisexual. (Bashers haven't offered to beat only half of me up, either. Bigots are generous with their abuse; in fact, they're much more inclusive than our allies, sometimes.)

I knew what I was told in church and Christian day school.... and I knew what was in my heart and mind. I had pondered the idea "God is Love" a lot -- especially when the adults around me seemed to be under the impression that God was Shaming and Threatening. But I knew the feelings inside me were good; they were like morning reflecting in raindrops on the phlox in the flowerbed. Like how the mint fields smelled at harvest time. All the places I had been taught to see God's handiwork were places of wonder and intricacy and life. It seemed to me then that God was impossible *not* to love... and by my young logic, following love with integrity and whole-heartedness was a way to get closer *to* God.

I didn't say all this to my co-worker. I said, "Do they treat you good?"

He froze, like a rabbit not sure whether to run yet.

"Are they nice to you?"

He shook his head. I don't remember his words, but I remember the pang when I realized he thought "going with men" and being treated badly were inextricably linked.

"Oh, honey," I said, "I think it's okay to love men, women, whatever, but hang on and wait for the ones who treat you nice, okay? Don't go with the ones who are mean to you."

If God is Love, then love can be a pathway to God -- but you gotta hang on and wait for the ones who treat you nice. And you gotta treat *them* nice, too -- and you've got to follow your pathway with integrity.

If you missed the controversy in the UU magazine, "poly" means several (or many, though one person's many is another person's few); "amory" means "love" -- so, "many loves," or "several loves." As the one I'm married to and I describe it sometimes, "we're very faithful; we're just not monogamous."

I am proudly -- and gratefully -- involved in two long-term partnerships and one relationship which cheerfully defies description. For the statistically-minded, these have lasted fifteen years, eight years, and seven years respectively. I sometimes joke that I'm "an old boring settled poly person," but I'm happiest with long-term relationships. I wouldn't be very good at practices like serial monogamy or trading beloveds like baseball cards.

I have told partners: "The fact that I love you is not negotiable.*How* I love you is always negotiable."

My feelings bloom inside me -- like that delight in the dew on the phlox, or my love for my beloveds, or the big deep joy I called "God." My actions are my choice and my responsibility. I cannot be rude, hurtful or cruel to one beloved and then claim I was "only acting out of love" for another. I believe nobody can build real and lasting happiness at the expense of another -- whether they're monogamous or polyamorous or celibate.

I won't "proselytize for polyamory," bisexuality or anything else. I don't get toasters for signing people up- though I did laugh at the joke that we bisexuals don't get toasters; we get waffle irons. But seriously, I don't value polyamory, ethically and consensually practiced, any more highly than monogamy, ethically and consensually practiced. Or bisexuality over monosexuality. I'm not under some impression I have the One True Way. I don't believe there *is* One True Way. I think there are many paths, and that our path is between each of us, our consciences, our conception of good (or god), and our
beloveds.

I'm glad people are curious about bisexuality and polyamory, but I wonder why so many questions are about sex. Aren't people curious about love? Or is sex the thing we can talk about nowadays, and love the taboo?

Some people think they know what I must mean by "bisexual and polyamorous." They come up and say, "Oh, I get it -- you're bi and poly because no one person can meet all your needs, right?"

Wrong. I don't get up in the morning with a checklist of "relationship needs" and start pushing my cart around doing comparison shopping. Love and relationships are more about giving, about the privilege of building something together, of cheering each other on, or sometimes up. About interdependence -- another word associated with our UU principles.

The last thing I want to say is about polyamory as opposed to cheating. (And the way I practice it, polyamory is very *definitely* opposed to cheating!) Monogamous people who are cheating sometimes pull me aside and say, "I'm telling you this because I know you'll understand." Now, how a person like me, who has gone to a lot of effort to communicate and negotiate early, often, and thoroughly, is supposed to be a kindred spirit to somebody hoodwinking their trusting spouse, I haven't a clue. I feel at those moments like a Unitarian Universalist who's just been told, "Oh, I really admire your ability to throw all that outdated morality, belief, and ethics stuff out the window!"

As Thomas Moore said in his book THE CARE OF THE SOUL about the word "poly" in a different context,

"Some, without investigating the idea deeply enough, have assumed that this means that morally anything goes, that there is no code of ethics, and that whatever happens, happens; but poly means 'several,' not 'any.'"

May you have strength, luck, and grace in all your relationships, of whatever description. Thank you for asking me to speak today. I look forward to continuing conversation.

Originally presented at FIRST UNIVERSALIST CHURCH of Minneapolis, as part of the Gay Pride Sunday Service on  18-JUN-2000 by Elise Matthesen elise@mango.lioness.net 

[What follows is the text of the personal reflection I gave as part of the Pride Sunday service today.]
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[The preceding is copyright Elise Matthesen, June 2000. Permission to make one copy for personal use is hereby granted to any individual reading this, so long as this copyright notice in its entirety is included in any such copy. Such permission for personal use does *not* cover republishing this post in any form on any media, including posting the material on private or public websites or in newsletters, without written permission from the author and the inclusion of this notice in its entirety; to request permission to reprint in those circumstances, please contact elise@lioness.net . Thank you.]

The more you love, the more you *can* love - and the more intensely you love.  Nor is there any limit on how many you can love.  If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority who are decent and just. 
                                                                              -- Robert A. Heinlein

Used with permission

Polyamory and Unitarian Universalism
 
Tuesday, April 20, 2004
http://sfgate.com/chronicle/
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/20/BAGIG67LNQ1.DTL#sections 

BAY AREA
Committed to marriage for the masses
Polyamorists say they relate honestly to multiple partners


Don Lattin, Chronicle Religion Writer


Unitarians from Boston to Berkeley have opened another front in the liberal crusade to expand the definition of marriage and family in America.

It's the new polygamy, and according to the Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness, their relationships are at least as ethical as other marriages -- gay or straight.

"Polyamory is never having to say you've broken up,'' said Sally Amsbury of Oakland, whose sex and love life openly includes her husband and two "other significant others," known in polyamory parlance as "OSOs."

Amsbury serves on the national board of directors of the Unitarian Universalist organization, which defines polyamory as "the philosophy and practice of loving or relating intimately to more than one other person at a time with honesty and integrity.''

"Polyamory is not an alternative to monogamy. It's an alternative to cheating,'' said Jasmine Walston, who lives in Louisville, Ky., and is president of the Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness.

"For some of us, monogamy doesn't work, and cheating was just abhorrent to me,'' she said.

To some, the polyamory movement is reminiscent of the "free love,'' swinging and open marriages of the 1960s and 1970s.

AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases dampened that sexual liberation movement in the 1980s and 1990s.

Today, Walston said, many people mistakenly believe that polyamorists are careless in their sex lives.

"When everything is out in the open, and your husband knows what is going on, you're going to be more careful about safe sex,'' she said.

John Hurley, a Boston spokesman for the 183,000-member Association of Unitarian Universalists, says the views of polyamorists are not necessarily endorsed by the denomination's board of trustees.

Polyamorists themselves are divided over whether to push for more formal recognition from the Unitarians, or to begin public lobbying for some of the same rights granted to heterosexual couples. "We're where the gay rights movement was 30 years ago,'' Walston said.

Amsbury says she favors expanding the legal definition of marriage to include three or more people, but she doesn't expect to see it anytime soon.

"We're lovers, not fighters,'' she said. "We don't want to get people's backs up.''

Other polyamorists are concerned that their cause will be used by opponents of same-sex marriage.

Just last week, a group of conservative evangelicals asked San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom whether his support of same-sex marriage applied to multiple-partner marriages.

"What possible reason could you find for discriminating against or denying equal access to threesomes, foursomes, etc.?'' they asked in a letter to Newsom.

Rebecca Parker, the president of Starr King School for the Ministry in Berkeley, says many Christians find polygamy even more sinful than homosexuality.

Monogamous heterosexual marriage, she says they also believe, is ordained by God through the creation of Adam and Eve.

Even though polygamy is practiced by some of the heroes in the Bible -- and in many non-Christian cultures around the world today -- it remains a Judeo-Christian taboo.

Starr King is a seminary of the Association of Unitarian Universalists and part of the Graduate Theological Union, a consortium of Protestant and Catholic seminarians in Berkeley and Marin County.

Unitarians -- who encourage their members to seek spiritual truth based on human experience, not allegiance to creeds and doctrines -- have been around since 1782. They merged with the Universalists in 1961.

Many of the students and faculty at Starr King see the polyamory movement as a threat to gay and lesbian couples.

"In the Protestant denomination, the movement to accept same-sex couples was built on the idea that they, too, can have lifelong monogamous relationships,'' Parker said. "Gays and lesbians found safety in saying, 'We can have families. We're normal -- just like everyone else.' That became the basis for them asking for social acceptance and equal protection under the law. ''

Very few polyamorous Unitarian Universalist ministers are "out of the closet." They fear it will wreck their chances of getting or keeping a job with a congregation.

Jim Zacarias, interim minister at the First Unitarian Church of Albuquerque, recently came out to his congregation as bisexual.

"People who choose a polyamory lifestyle in our denomination are doing it with an ethic of responsibility in their relationships,'' he said. "People in polyamory have the same struggles as people in gay and lesbian relationships.

"Our denomination has been welcoming to gays and lesbians and transgendered people,'' Zacarias said. "Bisexuals have not received the recognition they deserve.''

"Some people in polyamory are bi, some are homosexual, some are heterosexual. We are serving their needs,'' said Barb Greve, a transgender person who likes to be called "he."

Greve is a program associate with the Association of Unitarian Universalists' Office of Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian and Transgender Concerns in Boston

"There are people who want to be in committed relationships -- whether it's heterosexual marriage, same-sex marriage or polyamory -- and that should be acknowledged religiously and legally,'' he said.

According to Amsbury and other Unitarian polyamorists, most of the people in their movement are bisexual or heterosexual.

Amsbury is bisexual, her husband of two years is heterosexual, and her current "other significant others" are bisexual.

One of them, Peter, lives in West Hollywood with his boyfriend. The other one, Conly, lives in Santa Rosa and has been her lover for seven years.

"I wear a wedding ring for my husband," she explained, "and a bracelet for Conly.''

Though Amsbury and her husband, Terrance Roff, did not involve Peter and Conly in their Alameda marriage ceremony, other polyamorous Unitarians have proposed church ceremonies to bless threesomes, foursomes or moresomes.

One set of guidelines for church blessings of polyamorous partners suggests that the officiating minister try to put people at ease by saying, "We are from many different faith traditions, and we have many different experiences of love. What made us say 'yes' to being here was the love among these people.''

This article has been corrected since its original publication.

E-mail Don Lattin at dlattin@sfchronicle.com.


accessed 07-11-04 at

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/
archive/2004/04/20/BAGIG67LNQ1.DTL


Used with permission.

Polyamory and the Unitarian Universalist Association.


From an open letter (21 April 2004
) by UUA President Bill Sinkford, responding to a San Francisco Chronicle article on UUs and Polyamory:

Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness (UUPA) is a "related organization"; unlike independent affiliate organizations (like CUUPS), related organizations are not endorsed by the UUA board of trustees.

... the Association has no official position on [the right of polyamorous people to marry, i.e., polygamy] because official positions are established by passage of resolutions at our General Assembly, and there is no resolution on this issue.

Finally, the Association's social justice work is focused on women's
equality and reproductive choice, protection of civil liberties, marriage
equality [for gays and lesbians], and voter registration.

 




For more on

Unitarian Universalism's

current social justice work,

see 

                   www.uua.org


Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness
16323 Linden Avenue North
Seattle, WA 98133
206-546-8037
mailto: uupa@uupa.org

Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness (UUPA) has as its mission to serve the Unitarian Universalist community of polyamorous people by providing support, promoting education and encouraging spiritual wholeness regarding polyamory. UUPA defines polyamory as the philosophy and practice of loving or relating intimately to more than one other person at a time with honesty and integrity. UUPA advocates for any form of relationship or family structure - whether monogamous or multi-partner - which is characterized by free and responsible choice, mutual consent of all involved and sincere adherence to personal philosophical values.

At Issue:  
Covenantal Relationships 
and Polyamory?

Conservatives attack the Gay and Lesbian 
Right to Marry
with the "slippery slope argument": if you allow this, marriage could mean ANYTHING!  Group marriages will be next.

A wide variety of relationships are identified with the term "polyamory," including
poly-fidelitous open relationship, inimate network, triad (l means all people have a sexual relationship = 3 dyads),  V - three people, two of whom have a sexual relationship with one common person = two dyads Some polyamorists cohabit; others prefer not to.  Some involved primary relationships with secondary wives; others don't.  
 

Glossary of terms:
 
http://poly.polyamory.org/~joe/
                                  http://www.openweave.org/NCPoly/PolyTerms.html 


An Informative Website on polyamory

http://www.ourlittlequad.com



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Whether you are a polyamorist
or not, Pagan Institute Report invites you to weigh-in on the following issues: 

Forum Questions: 


Would polyamorists WANT to marry [polygamy]?  Why?


Would polys who are NOT cohabitating WANT civil unions?   If so, why?


What responsibilities for all those partners would be entailed?  


What are the promises (vows) which are most important for poly families to make to each other?


What kind of questions should a minister ask a poly couple seeking a religious blessing on their union?


Is there a "good practice" covenant used by enduring poly families?



Consent issues: 

Having lived on a commune back in the 60's, I can imagine a poly family where everyone is equal.   I can't understand how having "secondaries" can be truly equitable.  What's the difference between being a secondary poly wife and practicing patriarchal polygyny (multiple wives sharing 1 husband)?



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